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During this time, references to Unfamiliar(生 Sheng) and Familiar(熟 Shu) Miao appear, referring to level of assimilation and political cooperation of the two groups.

Not until the Qing dynasty (1644–1911) do more finely grained distinctions appear in writing.

Thus, he advocates the usage of both "Hmong" and "Mong" when referring to the entire ethnic group. Gary Yia Lee (a Hmong Der person), suggest that "Hmong" has been used for the past 30 years to refer to the entire community and that the inclusion of Mong Leng people is understood.

Linguistic evidence, however, places Hmong and Mong people in the same regions of southern China that they inhabit today for at least the past 2,000 years.

Even ethnographers studying the Hmong people in Southeast Asia often referred to them as Meo, a corruption of Miao applied by Thai and Lao people to the Hmong.

Even then, discerning which ethnic groups are included in various classifications can be problematic.

This inconsistent usage of "Miao" makes it difficult to say for sure if Hmong and Mong people are always included in these historical writings.

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